Jonathon Last’s newsletter for The Bulwark is always a bracing read, and never more so than this morning when he pointed to a piece about the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. My eyes have been glazing over at this story for weeks – 44 days, in fact. But it turns out that “the entire shape of modern warfare is changing right before our eyes”. One side had fleets of main battle tanks, robust missile defenses, and extensive dug-in positions. “The other side had a bunch of cheap, disposable drones.”
There are no prizes for guessing who won. Last points to these pars from a report in the Washington Post, and if you think long enough about them, they’re a little bit terrifying.
Azerbaijan used its drone fleet — purchased from Israel and Turkey — to stalk and destroy Armenia’s weapons systems in Nagorno-Karabakh, shattering its defenses and enabling a swift advance. Armenia found that air defense systems in Nagorno-Karabakh, many of them older Soviet systems, were impossible to defend against drone attacks, and losses quickly piled up. . . .
Azerbaijan, frustrated at a peace process that it felt delivered nothing, used its Caspian Sea oil wealth to buy arms, including a fleet of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones and Israeli kamikaze drones (also called loitering munitions, designed to hover in an area before diving on a target). . . .
In the early stages of the war, Azerbaijan used 11 slow Soviet-era An-2 aircraft that had been converted into drones and sent them buzzing over Nagorno-Karabakh as bait to Armenian air defense systems — tempting them to fire and reveal their positions, after which they could be hit by drones.
Azerbaijan used surveillance drones to spot targets and sent armed drones or kamikaze drones to destroy them, analysts said. . . .
Their tally, which logs confirmed losses with photographs or videos, listed Armenian losses at 185 T-72 tanks; 90 armored fighting vehicles; 182 artillery pieces; 73 multiple rocket launchers; 26 surface-to-air missile systems, including a Tor system and five S-300s; 14 radars or jammers; one SU-25 war plane; four drones and 451 military vehicles.
Azerbaijan, the group concluded, had visually confirmed losses of 22 tanks, 41 armored forced vehicles, one helicopter, 25 drones and 24 vehicles. The Washington Post.
I’ll give JVL the write off, since he earned it:
This is a revolution in military affairs and it’s not going to stop at air-to-ground conflict. We’re going to see drones equalize naval conflicts, too, making it even more expensive to project power across oceans.
If there’s a “good news” when it comes to drone warfare, it’s that the drones aren’t autonomous yet. But that’s coming, too.
The world around us is less stable than we think. And it’s becoming more so every day.
weirdl;y I first saw this a 2007 book "How to Build a Robot Army: Tips on Defending Planet Earth Against Alien Invaders, Ninjas, Monsters, and Zombies" about how drones were the most effective means to defeat Kaiju. In this case the Kaiju is a hidebound military still fighting the last war.
There are already autonomous drones armed with shotguns that can operate indoors... (https://www.thedefensepost.com/2020/10/06/uk-shotgun-drone/) OK, you're right: perhaps not necessarily autonomous, but what do you think all of that face recognition tech (known in its local variant as "the capability", I kid you not) is for?
This certainly changes the playing field....el cheapo drones taking out expensive big ticket military hardware. Going to require some new thought and adaptation to counter that sort of threat
Local EMP of some sort? Would cheap drones be hardened against all EMP? Revolutionise EMP somehow? Signal blocking? Wouldn't work on autonomous drones but then you would need to provide them false signals to waste munitions or kamikaze on a noisemaker.
weirdl;y I first saw this a 2007 book "How to Build a Robot Army: Tips on Defending Planet Earth Against Alien Invaders, Ninjas, Monsters, and Zombies" about how drones were the most effective means to defeat Kaiju. In this case the Kaiju is a hidebound military still fighting the last war.
Defense spending approaching 2% of GDP seems unnecessary
There are already autonomous drones armed with shotguns that can operate indoors... (https://www.thedefensepost.com/2020/10/06/uk-shotgun-drone/) OK, you're right: perhaps not necessarily autonomous, but what do you think all of that face recognition tech (known in its local variant as "the capability", I kid you not) is for?
This could wildly change the playing field in WW3.1 if Kolhammer's been building drones in the free zone....
This certainly changes the playing field....el cheapo drones taking out expensive big ticket military hardware. Going to require some new thought and adaptation to counter that sort of threat
Well there are experiments on going with lasers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SEQ-3_Laser_Weapon_System . Problem is they consume a hell of a lot of power, which you can generate on a warship but not on a land system.
Local EMP of some sort? Would cheap drones be hardened against all EMP? Revolutionise EMP somehow? Signal blocking? Wouldn't work on autonomous drones but then you would need to provide them false signals to waste munitions or kamikaze on a noisemaker.
Yeah, you'd need a whole new defense system to detect and eliminate drones, bit like the Iron Dome system in Israel they use for rockets
Holy s#$t. I've been thinking about this for years, ever since hanging out in a hole somewhere and listening to the Preds overhead.