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I used to be on the board of my local RSL club - we voted to sell off our pokies (all but 4 of them) and use the money on renovations. Also upgraded the food side of things and subsequently the club still makes good money. There is still the TAB on site, minimal pokies well out of the way, and Club Keno, none of which make much more money than covering the operating costs. Morally, we were happier making revenue on food and drink.

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WA is a perfect case study of what's possible without pokies in every pub and club. I work for an organisation with over 300 pubs nationwide (among other things) and our pubs in WA are booming.

I had a meeting with the state manager a few months ago for a project, and he was explaining to me that WA leads the nation in craft beer. What's considered an entry level craft beer in WA is considered "hard craft" in NSW if you want an example of how innovation is stifled.

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Craft beer... delicious. What I'd do for a decent stout.

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If you ever make it down under and to Perth in particular the craft is on me 🥳

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And it's a "when," not "if."

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The beers and I will be waiting 👊🏻

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I'll remember that.

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The pokies lobby it could be argued is as pernicious as the defence lobby.

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It was called out as our equivalent to the NRA

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i hadnt seen (or completely forgot) that Costello quote about gambling being our version of america's gun problem. So true as well. It's like we all know of someone with a gambling problem and the house was lost or the husband/wife had to leave, or worse a life was lost in despair. This is a positive story that leaves a gloomy pall over everything when you think about how far it has to go.

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The amount of money is staggering, and the story yesterday about the minister being pushed out by the lobbyists, just shows how rotten things are. I’m fucking sick to death of vested interests and people inserting themselves into a perfectly good system just to skim off an income.

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Apparently 'Old Warren' drinks at the Petersham.

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I certainly don't support pokies: much rather have pub bands back, thank you very much! Go the Petersham Bowlo! Apart from the music, and the reduction of human misery, it would appear that it would put a big sock in organized crime (money laundering), which can't be a bad thing.

However, prompted by an interesting figure/factoid above, I've just poked the internet and come up with the figure for beer consumption of $20B/yr nationally. If you guess that NSW is about half of that (OK, perhaps a third) you're looking at between 7 to 10B (of which the government gets about half in excise and gst). Which puts it squarely in the same ballpark as the pokies. Just saying. I wanted to get a handle on the scale of the thing.

Totally agree with the rest of the post: subs and stage 3 tax are definitely in the wash, however pointless and stupid either of them are: we have a 1.3-ish trillion dollar per year economy. Yes, you can do better things with those 16B budget items, but they're not the end of the story. Would be nice if some of our mainstream media were numerically literate.

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Here's another number that just occurred to me. In working out how much was "lost" to beer, I forgot that 100% of the cash spent goes towards beer, and none is returned. On the contrary, poker machines pay out, and (again, according to the internet) the house cut on gaming machines is between 5% and 10%. Which means that the amount of cash going in is ten to twenty times the amount "lost". So there must be $65B to $130B going in and coming out (less 5-10%) of pokies in NSW, per year. That's a pretty large and efficient laundry!

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Mar 14, 2023·edited Mar 14, 2023

The gambling industry might not meet the legal definition of corruption (as this article states, they have the law stitched up), but it’s certainly morally bankrupt.

I get that gambling has a long and colourful history in Australia, but when governments sell their souls to “industries” like this we all suffer

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